There were many amateur teams in St Louis, and some semi pro teams, plus the professional teams that appear in the Baseball Encyclopedia, Total Baseball, etc. The following are listed as missing, or are mislabelled.

• James J Adams 1890

  1 2 90 A Catcher for the Browns. Joe Pritchard has signed for the Brown Stocking Club a catcher named James J Adams. He caught 83 games in the Colorado State League last season. . He is about the the size of Latham and is very lively on his feet. Several clubs in the Association were after Adams, and a couple of Western Association managers made him offers. He is considered a good man. 2 16 90 St Louis Browns catcher J J Adams of this city, who for 3 years has been making a reputation in the West and South. 3 9 90 Catcher J J Adams of the Browns had a Batting Average of .402 last season , standing third in the Colorado League. 3 16 90 Catcher J J Adams is disposed to get indignant over the slighting manner in which the newspapers are speaking of the Browns catchers. “They seem to think we are a lot of kids. ... and are considering us as weak before we had a trial. They out to at least give us a show” The St Louis Post Dispatch called him "Little" Adams.7 24 97 Sporting News? "Jimmie Adams, well known in the East and West as a minor league player is an inmate of the Illinois penitentiary . at Chester where he is serving a sentence for Grand Larceny comitted at Decatur, Ill where Adams played ball last season". He married Lena C Keber September 21, 1898 in Christian Co, Ill. She was born in Alton, Ill November 1873. They moved to East St Louis, Ill. He went to work for meat packers Swift and Armour.. His last appearance in the East St Louis City Directory was 1905. 818 St Louis Ave, East St Louis, Ill

  James J Adams was listed as born July 1872 Ohio in the 1900 Census. Looking at this information that he was a professional since 1887, I would say July 1869 is more like it.

• George F Baker

  Born 1859 St Louis. He appeared in the St Louis CDs at 709 Marion in 1884 as a boxmaker and 1885 as ball player, but otherwise not recognizable . He was catching George McGinnis on the St Louis Athletics April 1890. He was a pall bearer for Chris Von Der Ahe in 1911.

• Jack Brennan

  Most of this is from Peter Morris.

  He was misidentified as James Augustus Brennan, who died Oct 17, 1904 husband of Katherine Meagher of 1920 N 13th, Philadelphia, Pa. James was a prominent light harness horseman who owned and ran a stable of horses. There is even a questionnaire for him at the Hall of Fame that an ancestor filled in but it doesn't remotely connect to the ballplayer. There are a ton of notes about the ballplayer and there is no question that his name is Jack, not James. A note in SN gave Jack Brennan's real name as John Gottlieb Dorn. Brennan was originally on the Unions' reserves in 1884, but looked so good in their first game that he was promoted to the regular squad. A profile of him in the S News on 11/10/88 said he was 24, a native of St. Louis, who had first played professionally for the St. Louis Unions in 1884. In 1885 he had been with the Black Diamonds, and in 1886 with Bloomington. There was an umpire named John E. Brennan in the American Association in 1884, but as we will see he almost certainly is not the ballplayer. A note in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch of April 5, 1886 said that John Brennan, catcher for the St. Louis Unions in 1884, had been arrested for breaking into a freight car. 6/7/86 SN Jack Brennan is umpiring in the Southern League. 10/25/86 SN "Jack Brennan is playing with Little Rock. His recent experience taught him a lesson and made him a man." There's a strange twist at this point. On 11/27/86, the Sporting News reported "John Brennan, the well-known [local] umpire who is now a resident of Indianapolis, has made an application to the National League." The following week, a note stated "Jack Brennan, the well-known catcher has returned to St. Louis from Little Rock and will remian here for the winter." So obviously Jack Brennan and John E. Brennan are different people. On 1/22/87 there is a note in Sporting News that Jack Brennan is accused of signing two contracts, one with New Orleans and one with Scranton. However, on 2/12/87 Sporting News explains that John E. Brennan had passed himself off as Jack Brennan to persuade Scranton to sign him. When they realized who they signed they released him. A few weeks later John E. Brennan was signed to umpire in the Northwestern League, even though the Scranton affair had been reported prominently. Jack Brennan began 1887 playing for New Orleans, and was even writing a column for Sporting News (sample note: "I wonder where George Shaeffer is."). However, he was released in June and picked up by Eau Claire. He spent 1888 with Birmingham and Kansas City. SN 7/21/88 Jack Brennan was released by Birmingham and is now umpiring in the Western League. Jack Brennan the ballplayer living in St Louis in 1890 at 2727 Hermitage Ave. 1891 Jack Brennan signs with Cincinnati. 1892 he plays with Butte, Montana.

  SPD 3/4/96: "Jack Brennan, the old St. Louis player, has accepted a berth as umpire in the Texas League." 1897 umpires in the Texas League. NY Clipper of 4 2 98 "Jack Brennan, the Old Athletic catcher named umpire Atlantic League." 1899 NY Clipper "Jack Brennan, the old catcher, is on the league umpire staff this season." 1899 St Louis City Directory John Brennan Baseball 2227 Randolph . Total Baseball lists John E Brennan for 1899 in the NL. It certainly appears, however, that Jack Brennan was the 1899 umpire, while John E. Brennan was the 1884 umpire. Feb 22 1902 Jack Brennan appointed umpire III league.

  Real name was John Gottlieb Doering. Born September 1862 Missouri. Family moved to St Louis late 1870s.

  1880 Census 1921 Randolph, St Louis, Mo Gotlieb Doering miller 53 Germany wife Henrietta 55 Prussia son August 20 Mo tinner son John G 17 Mo laborer son Herman W 14 Mo daughter Augusta 9 Mo

  John Gottlieb Doering first appeared in the St Louis CD in 1881 so he probably was born 1862 rather than 1864. 18 year rule.

  Gottlieb Doering was last listed in St Louis 1889 Gottlieb Doehring burial permit St Louis Post Dispatch 9 25 89 p 6< Nothing New. No Death Notice. Jack Brennan's mother died a few weeks later.

  1899 St Louis CD Gustave A Doering ranges 3500 Laclede 1900 August A Doering tin 3500 Laclede and John H Doering salesman

  1900 census John Doering b September 1864 Mo 2226 Randolph boarder Baseball Umpire

  Georgianna Doering servant Nov 1855 Mo married 19 years 2 children, both living 3500 Laclede son John June 1882 Mo tinner daughter Henrietta June 1887 Mo

  Herman Doering 12 A S23rd St June 1866 Mo wife Mary D July 1847 (2nd marriage) 7 children 5 living her son George 7 80 Mo day laborer her daughter May May 1885 Mo laundress

  1910 census August Doering 50 Mo married 30 years Tinner furnace 2727 Hermitage Ave wife Georgianna 49 Mo 2 children both living son John 26 Mo single daughter Henrietta Bischoff 22 Mo 3 children, 2 living husband William H Bischoff butcher children Vera M 4 Mo Murra 2 Mo

  1920 Census John Doering 40 Mo son John 4 7/12 Mo mother Georgianna 68 Mo 2321 Howard, St Louis, Mo

  1920 census Herman Doering 52 Mo wife Mary A 73 Mo Boliermaker helper 2620 Caroline

• William Childers
• John Dillon
• Packy Dillon
• Fogarty

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  The San Francisco death is completely wrong. Everything about him listed is wrong. He was from St Louis and not San Francisco. That seems to have been made up a long time ago and was never corrected. In the St Louis Post Dispatch 9 18 85 "Tom-Morrows Game. Fogarty, late of the St Gotthards will be tried at St Louis" Sporting Life "Fogarty, a local amateur"

  1. 1878 John Fogarty 2375 Papin labor with Thomas lab
  2. 1879 John Fogarty 2375 Papin watch
  3. 1880 John Fogarty 2375 Papin
  4. 1880 census 2375 Papin John Fogarty 55 Ireland wife Ann 50 Ire son Thomas 25 Mo daughter Mary 23 Mo daughter Annie 19 Mo daughter Nellie 17 Mo son John 16 Mo

  5. 1882 same
  6. 1883/4 John Fogarty 2435 Papin with John Jr iron
  7. 1884/5 John Fogarty 2637 Papin with John Jr moulder Thomas mech
  8. 1885/6 John Fogarty 2637 Papin
  9. Sept 18, 1885 Fogarty, late of the St Gotthards will be tried at St Louis lf
  10. 1887 John Fogarty lab 2637 Papin with John Jr lab, Thomas wire
  11. 1888 Jack Fogarty makes his pro debut
  12. 1889 John Fogarty Jr baseball 2637 Papin with John and Thomas mach
  13. 1890 John Fogarty Jr same
  14. 1891/2 John J Fogarty mach 2637 Papin with John and Thomas J blacksmith
  15. 1892/3John Fogarty 2637 Papin with John Jr lab Thomas J mach
  16. 1894 Fogarty - on Thursday 6 28 94 8 45 pm at his residence 2637 Papin St, John Fogarty Sr, beloved husband of Ann (nee Brennan) father of Thomas, Michael, John Nellie, Mrs T Murphy, Mrs T Kavanaugh 67 years Calvary Cemetery
  17. Feb 2, 1895 Sporting News " Jack Fogarty is one of Sheriif Eads deputies" 1894/5 John J Fogarty dep sheriff Four Courts 2637 Papin with John
  18. 1895/6 Ann wid John Fogarty same
  19. 1897/8 Ann Fogarty wid John 2637 Papin It is possible that this is the ballplayer
  20. 1899 John J Fogarty lab 905 W Jefferson Ave with Maurice Hickey lab

      1900 census John Fogarty March 1867 Mo wife Marguerette 8 72 Mo John Juky 1896 Mo Marguerette 7 98 Mo FIL Maurice Hickey 2 41 Ireland

• Edward "Jumbo" Harding

  Going back to the one game Harding played, from the St Louis Post Dispatch "The Browns and A's played a game at Sportsmans Park......Joe Murphy pitched and Harding of St Joe caught" STL P D 3 20 86 The Athletic Base Ball Club Ed Harding (Jumbo). Jumbo Harding Captain. 2/26/87 SN Jumbo Harding's contract with Kansas City was not approved; he may return to St. Joseph. Subsequent notes confirm that he'd signed. 3/19/87 St. Joseph roster includes Ed. Harding. 1890 Sporting News Jumbo Harding, the old catcher of the St Joe team is running a ropewalk in St Louis near the fair grounds.

  1890 St L CD Edward H A Harding ropemaker 4031 N 25th. 1894 splicer 3619 N Spring Ave. 1895/6 porter same address. 2 2 95 SN Jumbo Harding, the former St Joe catcher is a boss butcher in North St Louis. Louis J Harding. Last in St L 1891/2 CD Louis J with Elizabeth wid Gottlieb and William and Edward H. In the 1880 census there was a William Harding with son Edward age 18 born Misouri. He also had a brother William. I don't know if Jumbo is that Edward. If he was, then he was born 1862.

• Stephen Ladew
• Harry A Little
• John T or J Magner

  From Peter Morris. There are an unbelievable number of notes about this guy in Sporting News; clearly he was a close friend of Spink. Once in a long while they say John F. or John J., but almost all say John T. (I don't think I ever saw a reference to him as just John Magner). Occasionally they say John Tecumseh Magner, but that's just a reference to his old team. It's possible that there is also a John F. or John J. or both, which account for so many uses of his middle initial, but John T. was definitely the ballplayer. You mentioned his father's name was John. Profiles frequently mention his days with the St. Louis Reds, London Tecumsehs and various St. Louis amateur teams. Yesterday I finally found one that even placed him in Cincinnati in 1879: 2/4/1888 SN [paraphrased] John T. Magner has come out of retirement to play for the Dallas Hams. He is known from the Gulf of Mexico to the state of Maine and the Atlantic to the Pacific. [I always love hearing that about a guy we can't find]. He is 32 years old and 5'7.5" and 169.5 pounds. [Long description of his playing skills that make him sound like Ty Cobb and Babe Ruth rolled into one]. He started as a shortstop with the Elephants and the Emperors in 1875; in 1876 he was with the Reds of St. Louis; in 1877 with the London Tecumsehs; in 1878 with Davenport; in 1879 with the Cincinnati Stars; in 1880 with Rochester; in 1881 and 1882 with the St. Louis Browns. In 1883 he retired and took a job with the post office, though he sometimes played for the amateur Standards. Last February he moved to Vicksburg, Miss., to work with his brother P. R. Magner, but he returned a few months ago.

  There was a benefit game for him March 1895 St Louis. 1896/7 John T Magner baseballist. St Louis. 1898 clerk Globe Democrat 301 S Broadway with Mary Widow John, Michael. In the 1880? census, Mother Mary 1820 Ireland father John brother Michael 1840 Ireland. John not in the 1880 census with them but he was lsited asJohn J Magner baseball player in the St Louis CDs , living with them. Maybe he was in the 1880 census in New York State.

  According to AH Spink in The National Game in 1909, he was still living in St Louis in 1909, working for St Louis newspapers in Circulation Dept. 1910 Census John J Magner 63 Missouri Vendor Newspapers, parents b Ireland. Last listing 1912 John Lab 12 1/2 N 3rd. St Louis.

• T E Newell

  Amateur player in St Louis 1874. Sub umpire T E Newell for St Louis 1884. Not in St Louis CDs as T E, real first name unknown.

• Billy Palmer
• William T Redmond
• John J Ricks

  Was working as an assistant shipping clerk for the Wrought Iron Range Co in St Louis 1888 from STLPD. 1890 St Louis CD John J Ricks - Wrought Iron Range Co clerk with Charles Ricks butcher rear 2214 Morgan born December 1866 St Louis, Mo d Aug 30, 1920 St Louis, Mo

• John J Ryan
• James Tub Welch
• born July 3, 1866 St Louis, Mo. 10 5 90 Stl PD Tub Welch, who graduated from the celebrated Wedge House 9 of this city. Late 1891 Sprting News - J Welch, or Tub Welch, learned ballplaying in St Louis - drifted West in 1887, since then caught for Dallas, Buffalo, Toledo, Montgomery - was in St Louis late 1891. Reccomended Childers for Louisville Colonels 1895. 1890 Dallas CD James A Welch baseballist.11 12 92 SN Dallas Welch is staying here because he has a position.